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Post by elphaba65 on Sept 19, 2005 8:05:28 GMT -5
The opportunity for discussion is great on this forum, but please be sensitive to those who said "no". It doesn't mean they deserve to have scarlet letters hung on their neck.
I agree. There are people in this community who truly voted no because they could not afford the tax increase. That is one of the reasons that this library issue is surfacing, to look at every way to cut taxes. Some of the suggestions I have heard is to extend the hours at one elementary school, the middle school and the high school. I wonder if Dr. Richman can get us numbers on this? We would still have our local libraries which are all new, and could save the difference between the library budget of 2+ million and whatever it would cost to extend the hours. The one inconvenience that I see is that the public could not use them until school was finished. If we can't vote Yes and have it all then maybe we really need to see where there is duplication of services and capitalize on that. We would still own the library and it can be rented out to bring additional revenue into the district.
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Post by concerned on Sept 19, 2005 8:41:42 GMT -5
Elphaba-I'm not sure I understand what you are saying....reduce the public library hours or cut them all together and rent them out?
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Post by Go Plainedge! on Sept 19, 2005 8:42:15 GMT -5
Let me offer my observations for an adult discussion:
To somewhat defend those that voted "no", I think I can see why.
1. The budget was defeated by a hair over 50% (when tallying all the votes) FACT
2. The board voted 7-0 to submit the SAME budget. FACT
3. If they lowered the second budget by 1 percentage point, it would have passed. STRONG OPINION
OBSERVATION: The board has received criticism for not being "in touch" with the community. If they were why did they agree 7-0 to submit the same budget when over 50% of the community voted it down? I would imagine that vote to resubmit should have been 4-3, 5-2 or at least 6-1.
OBSERVATION With a $57,000,000 budget, I don't think finding $500,000 to cut is too difficult. I deal with large corporate contracts and when I'm told to reduce the budget, I find a will and a way without sacrificing the integrity of the project.
OBSERVATION to support my above statement, now with a defeated budget, the BOE and Administration had to drastically cut and the integrity of the district suffered. This is a classic case of "Penny wise, pound foolish".
Adult comments welcome. Sarcastic and antagonizing ones....well, simply save your typing energy.
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Post by jdavola on Sept 19, 2005 9:39:47 GMT -5
Hey GO Plainedge!!
Even your "facts" can mislead...
The budget was defeated the second time by 69 votes...that's 35 people...when you say it failed by 50% is MIS-INFORMATION!!!!
FACT--when you say 50% of the COMMUNITY defeated the budget -- is misleading...FACT IS 50% of VOTERS voted no....there are many apathetic voters in the community who failed to come out and vote at all...I believe there are many apathetic voters who support the budget and are outraged by the small group of nay-sayers out there....
Don't manipulate the wording....numbers are numbers....but you are telling a story....maybe you should attend some math extra-help classes..or is this MR. ED math???
Peace out. Remember...pray for the victims.
JD
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Post by Go Plainedge! on Sept 19, 2005 9:51:51 GMT -5
Jdavola: Semantics. Please RE-READ #1 and tell me what it says. It says a hair over 50% when tallying all the VOTES. You're reading comprehension skills are less than stellar. I didn't know a defeated budget by 69 votes equals 35 people. Hmmm, anyone want to try and figure that logic. Try and have a happy day. Don't be so negative all the time. Show some love!
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Post by jdavola on Sept 19, 2005 10:00:28 GMT -5
Hey Go Plainedge!!
Semantics or MIS-INFORMATION??
Since you can't figure it out, I'll help...here's the love...
69 more people voted no than yes. If 35 of those people had voted yes instead, the budget would have been passed. It's a simple 8th grade math word problem. Most of the 8th graders were able to answer math problems like this correctly on the state exams.
Great job kids. Go to a car wash and just ask them!
Peac out. Remember...pray for the victims.
JD
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Post by Go Plainedge! on Sept 19, 2005 10:21:20 GMT -5
So, what does that have to do with what I stated in #1? That may be a difficult question for you to understand, so I'll give you the answer....NOTHING! The numbers are the numbers and you can't play around with "what ifs". What if 70 more people came out to vote. Where would we be right now? It's irrelevant. The fact remains that OF THE VOTES TALLIED a hair more than 50% said no. Can you argue that? I guess you can try, but you'll be unsuccessful. Sheesh! The 8th graders have better comprehension skills. I'll see you at the car wash. You wash mine, I'll wash yours Smile Mr. Negativity....it's all good.
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Post by concerned on Sept 19, 2005 10:25:18 GMT -5
Jdavola-I'm trying to understand what you are saying, but I do not follow your logic. 69 votes equates to 35 people? What? All it would take to pass the budget would be one more than the number of "no" votes. What was the final count again - yes's verses no's?
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Post by Go Plainedge! on Sept 19, 2005 10:30:10 GMT -5
Jdavola-I'm trying to understand what you are saying, but I do not follow your logic. 69 votes equates to 35 people? What? All it would take to pass the budget would be one more than the number of "no" votes. What was the final count again - yes's verses no's? I understand his thought process. IF of the 69 votes that said no (the difference in the people voting yes and no) 35 of those 69 people voted YES, the budget would have passed. At this point though, the point is irrelevant though.
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Post by justfacts on Sept 19, 2005 10:42:49 GMT -5
Go Plainedge!
I was just reading the last few exchanges between jdavola and yourself. It prompted me to go back to an early post by "Crazy Joe Davola" of Seinfeld fame and bring it up here to remind us all of what he said she/he is about. Here's the clip:
"OK - now, like I was saying....I don't want to "pick a fight"-- I'm just exercising my first amendment right to free speech. After all, you guys would never cry to the administrator to censor anyone, right?? I didn't realize I offended anyone. I just wanted to join a group like me...a thin-skinned, anonymous critic with nothing better to do with my time than sit behind my keyboard and put out misinformation to the rest of my small circle of closed minded pals."
How truthful Joe has been - he joined a group that now has a lot more members like him - "and put(s) out misinformation to the rest of his small circle of closed minded pals."
This Board is becoming overwhelmed by posts of no value nor new information that might be useful to others - The posts begin to hide the information that might be useful in other places on the Forum.
They just have repeated advocacy shouts to vote YES, only vote YES, as if to expect some sort of "Pavlov's Dogs" response from the public. The YES cry is heard about a budget that has yet to be released to the public.
Or, does one exist the JD knows about? One that he/she made an intelligent decision about? Or does he/she just knee-jerk reflex vote YES? - and expect the rest of us to blindly follow?
As they say in the computer world - garbage in -garbage out. There's the love that has been earned by he/she!
Let's cut down our responses to this false attempt at banter that really turns out to be baying by a J-!
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Post by jdavola on Sept 19, 2005 11:13:42 GMT -5
Hey guys!!!
Good job....it only took two people and a horse to figure it out!!
Peace out. Remember...pray for the victims.
JD
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Post by elphaba65 on Sept 19, 2005 12:45:28 GMT -5
Elphaba-I'm not sure I understand what you are saying....reduce the public library hours or cut them all together and rent them out?
What I'm suggesting is perhaps the closure of the public library does need to be looked into. If we could extend the hours at three of our school libraries the community would still have acess to library services, just not as many hours. The libraries could not be open to the public until school was out. When we think of how we want to spend our tax dollars this might be a viable alternative. The school district still retains the building however could rent it out. The meetings that now go on there can be held at the schools. There are communities that do not have libraries. When people look to move into a community they ask about the school district, not the library.
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Post by jdavola on Sept 19, 2005 12:55:42 GMT -5
Hey Go Plainedge!!
Now it's irrelevant???
Why did you post things that are irrelevant??
Maybe you are diverting attention from the real facts...putting out mis-information and distorted facts like I've said from the beginning...
Vindication is a nice feeling.
Peace out. Remember...pray for the victims.
JD
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Post by Go Plainedge! on Sept 19, 2005 13:09:24 GMT -5
LOL! You're funny. This has to be your most amusing post yet. I love it! Your lack of reading comprehension is really becoming a source of amusement for me. Keep up the great work and thanks for the laugh today! Smile Mr. Negativity....it's all good.
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Post by yruohk on Sept 19, 2005 15:46:11 GMT -5
Mr. Ed, if you really believe that perhaps you and your son should not be bragging at block parties how you got the budget defeated. Don't forget this is Plainedge, everything gets around. If "everything" gets around in Plainedge, you might have to reconsider the source, as rumors do fly in this town rather quickly and are perpetuated as truth. Taken directly from Webster's Dictionary (there's still some around)Main Entry: 1ru·mor Pronunciation: 'rü-m&r Function: noun Etymology: Middle English rumour, from Middle French, from Latin rumor clamor, gossip; akin to Old English rEon to lament, Sanskrit rauti he roars1 : talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source2 : a statement or report current without known authority for its truth
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