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Post by justfacts on Aug 30, 2005 13:51:25 GMT -5
To: NEDRA RHONE Staff Writer, Newsday In today's Newsday you reported the following statement; "The money, Duffy said, will be passed on to taxpayers in the form of a lowered tax levy. Legally, spending caps of a contingency budget, which the district was forced to adopt after the proposed budget was defeated twice, prevent the district from using the funds to restore lost sports programs and teaching positions, he said." Yet, recently in the Plainedge School District, the following information appeared on the school's Web site; "Budget Update – Board of Education Meeting – July 13, 2005 At the June 27th Board of Education meeting, the Board fulfilled its legal obligation and reduced the 2005-2006 by $2,456,854, but announced that a $390,000 expenditure, earmarked for a “repair reserve fund”, could not be used for that purpose under a contingency budget. They decided to use the $390,000 to restore some of the programs and services cut. Last night, the Board of Education met to restore the $390,000 to the contingency budget. After an hour of input from the community, the following restorations were made: . . . ." How can these two diametrically opposed actions by two differing School Boards be achieved? Is one Board "missing the boat", not taking advantage of what the other knows? Or is one Board doing what the other says is illegal? The basic question is: If Programs and Administration costs have a cap limit of just how many dollars can be spent on them, and the budget was "cut" to these limits, then how can dollars be "restored" without exceeding the caps? Notes about the Plainedge information: The "Under a Contingency Budget" statement is wrong. They could not be used because the voters did NOT approve the transfer of the $390,000 in former "Packard Funds" into this "repair reserve fund" account when they twice rejected the budget. The funds, now unencumbered, must go back into the general fund balance and be used for property tax reductions. Commissioner's decisions say funds can't languish in the general fund if they cause the unencumbered amount to exceed 2% of the prior year's budget. They must first be used to reduce property tax, and not be assigned later to some encumbered purpose ~ like restoring program cuts. The "Income" for last year exceeded "Expenses" by $1.8 million ( there is an sworn under oath statement by the Assistant Superintendent that the "Income" was incorrectly shown with a $600,000 addition error), so all this money exceeds 2% of last year's budget. However, at this time the funds apparently remain as an item in the Contingency Budget's Capital portion of the budget under Code # 9950, not having been fully retracted from the expenditures. Answers to e-mailed questions as to the status and legal use of these funds by community members have been adroitly avoided. Full information about the Plainedge comments can be found at the following link: nemesis2.com/pedge/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=223
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Post by jdavola on Sept 1, 2005 14:55:16 GMT -5
Hey....you sound like you know all the answers...why don't you run for a seat on the board...instead of just sitting here criticizing everyone else?
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Post by justfacts on Sept 1, 2005 15:41:54 GMT -5
jdavola:
I will if you will!
What answers did I give? I've just showed mostly the facts, facts obtained from having done my homework and schoolwork.
And I've written to journalists in order to bring wider investigations into a poorly prepared Budget and its attendant erroneous figures. The District's budget and its cuts numbers just don't add up.
Have you obtained information as to what the Capital portion of the Contingency budget is? Is it $11,341,532, not the wrong amount of $11,731,532?
How about the amount of Administration portion of the Budget? Is it $5,680,798 or less as it should be?
The Board initially ignored the requirement that the Administration cuts must be made under a Contingency Budget and that it can't make all the cuts in only the Programs portion of the Budget. They ignored it that is, until the facts were brought before the community.
Also, many Plainedge residents have individually asked for clarification of these inconsistent pieces of information, only to be stonewalled for answers by the Board and/or the administration.
We do need an outside source of investigation to resolve the discrepant numbers. I've been pursuing trying to get that help via this forum and direct e-mails.
Now, just where is the "here" that I've been sitting at?
And I've not just been "criticizing" I've been doing the work needed to find out facts and present them to others on this forum and in e-mails.
How do you think I've gotten these numbers and facts, except by doing a lot of reading and checking of State Education Department requirements, Budget notes, attending meetings and digging out old minutes of meetings.
None of that is "just sitting here criticizing everyone else"
Try working at getting a seat on the Board yourself, or work just as hard at getting facts to the community; instead of flipping out a potshot.
Try re-reading the post that you flipped a potshot at. It asks a basic question and states facts, in an attempt to bring the press to bear on this subject.
Where is the "criticism of everyone else"
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Post by jdavola on Sept 1, 2005 15:54:01 GMT -5
Whew!
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Post by honebee on Sept 1, 2005 17:31:25 GMT -5
I, for one, am very happy that there is a person like Justfacts who can investigate and help me to see discrepencies and problems within the school district. It keeps us informed, something that the Board and Mr. Richman doesn't seem to want us taxpayers to be. If we just allow "business as usual" we will continue to pay unbelievably high taxes until such a time as most of us will not be able to do so anymore and just have to leave and give up our homes. This is a time for action, not just sitting on the bench and passively going along with everything. We pay to support this school district and so we should be the ones to collectively make the decisions. Without the proper information, how can we intelligently do so? I encourage all of us to do our homework and make some waves when things do not add up.
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Post by archer99 on Sept 1, 2005 19:25:31 GMT -5
That a gal / guy /soul Honebee!!!!!
Now anyone that reads this site should take it as an obligation to tell their neighbors about this site.
If you do GREAT!. More people can start to ask their own questions.
If you have read this and you DON'T,..... it means that you are on the side of "keeping things quiet and maybe they will go away". Have some faith in your friends and neighbors and let them decide and search for the facts also. BUT,....give them a chance to find out. Don't attempt to keep someone quiet because YOU don't like what is said.
Isn't that what was done by the Administration/Board by shutting down the old forum? And look what happened, it made us look more and we found out some potentially embarassing things!
IMHO
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Post by jdavola on Sept 1, 2005 19:31:13 GMT -5
You go,Honebee!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jdavola on Sept 2, 2005 13:37:04 GMT -5
Hey, Geni..(whoops, sorry adminstrator...) I don't want to "pick a fight" or offend anyone's tender sensibilities, I just thought it was a little "oddballish" to refer to someone by a moniker like "justfacts"....so let me think of something else...you remind me of a fellow that spends some time at the library...so let me refer to you as, oh, maybe something completely hypothetical like.....ED. OK - now, like I was saying....I don't want to "pick a fight"-- I'm just exercising my first amendment right to free speech. After all, you guys would never cry to the administrator to censor anyone, right?? I didn't realize I offended anyone. I just wanted to join a group like me...a thin-skinned, anonymous critic with nothing better to do with my time than sit behind my keyboard and put out misinformation to the rest of my small circle of closed minded pals.
Remember...pray for the victims. Peace out.
Love y'all,
J.D.
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Post by rsacamano on Sept 2, 2005 15:18:38 GMT -5
I am new to this site but have been reading the posts as a guest. I agree with most of you, but I think we also need people like jdavola out there just to keep us on track and not to let other people take control and have other people follow blindly.
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Post by rsacamano on Sept 2, 2005 16:09:28 GMT -5
dear justfacts I read your post and I was at the boe mtg and your numbers don't make sense. I know i'm new can you explain it?
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Post by yruohk on Sept 3, 2005 14:08:01 GMT -5
we also need people like jdavola out there just to keep us on track and not to let other people take control and have other people follow blindly. This forum was established as a result of "other people" having HAD control . We as a community, as taxpayers, as parents, grandparents and neighbors have merely taken control of our right to freely inform those who are interested in knowing the truth. If there were not questionable activity going on throughout Long Island with the hard-earned $$$$ of the taxpayers, the FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS would not be calling for FINANCIAL RECORDS from ALL 125 districts and 3 BOCES branches. As quoted, Rich-man states to Newsday: "I think the scope is pretty extraordinary. I'm at a loss". Our, as in TAXPAYERS, Plainedgeschools.org forum was conveniently shutdown to interrupt the flow of accurate information. When that didn't accomplish the mission, a "serial hacker" completed the job and used the total shutdown of the website as a tool of intimidation to quell any further attempt to speak out. Neither worked as is evident by the presence of this forum and those who contribute who are not just a "small circle". Remember, that DOT ORG at the end of Plainedge implies the OWNER is a non-profit one and not a private individual. We all know the school and all that's attached to it belongs to those who PAY THE PRICE. Check the other schools and you will find their websites/domains are OWNED BY THE SCHOOL, which in turn.....right back to the TAXPAYER! Why has there been such great effort to prohibit information from being rightfully shared with all who pay taxes? If anyone has "facts" that are contrary, then feel free to speak or write. As for censorship, a taxpayer-funded website cannot be censored by those salaried by the taxpayer just as the school newspaper has the right to publish what it does regardless of what the administration thinks. Maturity enlightens and breeds unity. Division is brought by darkness and deception. Everyone should take a lesson from the horrific catastrophe which befell those in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. There are those who had so little to begin with and what little they had in the way of property, would give anything to have a lovely community to sleep and eat in, to send their kids to school in as we do. Our priorities ought to be ALL the children and what's RIGHT not what benefits a few. Objectivity and truth must prevail for there to be unity and peace. Therefore, peace out, is more than words on a board. It's the actions of the heart!
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Post by jdavola on Sept 3, 2005 14:56:44 GMT -5
You go!!!!! vote yes for the kids!!!!
remember.....pray for the victims. Peace out.
J.D.
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Post by yruohk on Sept 3, 2005 16:54:26 GMT -5
jdavola Yes, pray for those victims in this community whose TAX $$$$$$$$$$$ don't add up which in turn is taking from the kids!
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Post by jdavola on Sept 3, 2005 18:01:34 GMT -5
WHOA!!! WHOA!!!! Where's the love???
Remember....Pray for the victims. Peace out.
J.D.
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Post by rsacamano on Sept 3, 2005 19:49:28 GMT -5
dear yhrouk
I think you and justfacts are incorrect. The Hevesi audit that was conducted regarding the recent board indicated no wrong doing. There was also another audit conducted covering a prior period that uncovered some mis-spending on the part of two long since gone board members. It is my understanding that these two board members were sent letters requesting that they return the money. Was it returned?
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