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Post by gopybl on Apr 11, 2006 10:33:06 GMT -5
Pedge13- Forgive me for being naive... How could someone who is renting an illegal apartment send there kids to School free of charge? Isn't there a way to cross reference whether the students parents are the Homeowner or if they are renting?
I know of some people who are renting but they seem to be renting to single people without children... If anyone could educate me about this process it would be appreciated. Thanks everyone.
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Post by rinx on Apr 11, 2006 10:46:30 GMT -5
gopybl - people with illegal rentals should be the last people to speak about any of the no voters IMO. As far as I know, to get a child into the district all they need is ID and some bills showing they live at that address. I'm not sure though. My wife took care of it. Hopefully someone here knows exactly.
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Post by getitpassed on Apr 11, 2006 11:14:19 GMT -5
IN RESPONSE TO THE PREVIOUS POSTS ABOUT GETTING MORE PEOPLE TO VOTE YOU ARE RIGHT ON. WE CAN'T CONCENTRATE ON THE NO VOTES. SOME MAY CHANGE MANY WILL NOT. WE MUST CONCENTRATE ON THE NON VOTERS, MANY WHO ARE NOT EVEN REGISTERED. I AM FINDING IT VERY FRUSTRATING WITH THE DISTRICTS REGISTRATION TIMES. THEY ARE NOT VERY ACCOMODATING TO WORKING PARENTS IN PARTICULAR. I TRIED LAST WEEK TO GET A DISTRICT CLERK TO SET UP A REGISTRATION TABLE AT WEST ON A FRIDAY NIGHT DURING SOFTBALL GAMES SINCE I KNOW MANY OF THOSE PARENTS (GRADES 1-3) ARE NOT REGISTERED. I WAS TOLD IT COULDN'T BE DONE. I PICKED UP 2OO COPIES OF THE REGISTRATION FORM WHICH I WILL HAND OUT BUT WHO KNOWS IF THEY WILL GO TO REGISTER. WAITING TO HOLD 1 NIGHT REGISTRATION ON MAY 10TH, THE NIGHT BEFORE THE DEADLINE IS ASSUMMING ALOT. FOR SOME PEOPLE THE ONLY WAY TO GET THEM REGISTERED IS TO COME TO THEM AND THAT IS NOT HAPPENING. MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE CAN PROVIDE SOME INSIGHT OR IDEAS ON HOW TO GET THIS DONE.
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Post by justfacts on Apr 11, 2006 11:14:48 GMT -5
plainedge13I'm in my 77th year and there are few in Plainedge who are more Senior that that! Certainly there aren't 2000+ of us!
And there are many of my age group, including myself, who not only READ the posts on this site, but they also POST on this site.Rational thought should tell you that of the 2000+ voters that voted NO last year were as representative a cross section of the Plainedge voters as those 2000+ that voted YES. That there is no one segment of the population that was responsible for the second rejected vote.It is apparent, from the many conversations that followed, the second rejection of the vote came about mainly because of the persistent arrogance of the Administration in trying to force an already rejected budget upon the Plainedge residents.
Remember, it was by majority vote that twice, not once, - last year's budget was rejected. They (He) refused to listen to requests from the community - and put up one of the most specious and irrational reasons for not listening to the Community by applying the Packard Fund money to an alternative budget.
He was totaly wrong in his reasoning - yet continued his failed logic by collecting $390,00 too much money in this year's Capital portion of the Budget! It will go into a Fund Balance in June, rather than into children's Programs!
Later results proved him totally wrong in his objections! And remember, last year's vote twice rejected the same budget by a slim majority. No one "Group" of voters accomplished that.[/b] Further, it was the cutting of sports to meet "Contingency" requirements that was also false. There was the same amount of money in the Budget as Sports for their raises and Bonuses. It was the Administration that choose to take that money and put it in their pocket, rather than use it for Sports, that caused the difficulties. [/i] They had an option - and they chose SELF! What is worst, there was enough left over from other padded parts of even the Contingency Budget to have paid for Sports last year! It ended up in a Reserve Fund instead of in the Sports programs.
That fact alone proves that the budgeting in Plainedge collected excess monies that weren't destined to go to the children as they should have! The Budgets of last year were obviously flawed and the Administration would not change them![/i] A tool was needed to bring the process back in line. That tool was supposed to be the BOE. It looks like this year that tool is working! Thanks to C_P_R and yourself and others in the community that are now actively engaged in the Budget process. And the latest Budget is putting more into children's programs than ever before. Let's continue the trend. As to not allowing High School Seniors to vote: Wasn't it this same Machiavellian Administrator, not Senior residents of Plainedge, who in the press and other media, loudly proclaimed that a BOE member who was a High Senior was not fit to be on the BOE? Wasn't it another ignorant resident, not a Senior Citizen, who proclaimed that since Doug lived at home with "Mom & DAD" that he was not qualified to vote on BOE issues? No one stops a High School Senior from voting - except that High School Senior! Voting has not been predicated upon Property ownership in this country since the early 1800's! Despite what those of lesser intellect believe. As to painting all Seniors Citizens with one swipe of the brush that they have illegal apartments in their homes - am I the exception that proves your "rule"? In fact, where are the surveys and reports that back up your arm-chair assumptions about ownership of illegal apartments? Why pick on, or single out, Senior Citizens for this ownership? PO'ed at Mom & Dad lately?And you top off the discussion with winging it at Senior Citizens for getting STAR discount! By the time I was eligible for STAR discounts, several decades of paying property taxes had passed, the majority with children that were long out of the Plainedge schools. I had already spent, in today's dollars, about $200,000 in Property taxes. I expect to pay about that amount (or more) again, before my Property's Tax life exceeds mine.[/i] Legislators, seeking voting support created the STAR program that said I was entitled to a discount on those remaining School tax payments. So I guess you disagree with those Legislators that passed a law giving discounts to property tax payments when they already paid a certain amount. Take up your case against them, not the Senior Citizens of this District. Or, maybe, pay in advance as much totally in Property tax as the Senior Citizen has.[/i] The School District would certainly use it all up! Please, get the frustration out of your system. But focus future actions where they will do some good. No banners and false claims that it's Seniors Citizens that are the NO voters of this District. I'll challenge you every time as to how you got into the voting booths with them or otherwise determined your fictitious facts.Breathe new life into the BOE! C_P_R it! ;D The winning team ~ Cantatore - Persuto - Raymond ;D Make sure the children get their fair share! - First! Vote your convictions on the Budget - not your frustrations! Ed.
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Post by justfacts on Apr 11, 2006 11:43:38 GMT -5
getitpassedBelieve it or not from an oldtimer to Plainedge (Circa 1958). At one time it was much easier to register and vote.[/i] Many of the schools were open and accomodating to the residents. It was only with the arrival of the present Administration that the restrictions were put firmly in place on times and locations. All in the name, according to Jeff Burns, of "9/11" security.It is amazing to me that these restrictions continue - but only in regard to the School Voting issues. Have you noticed that on Local voting issues you can go to the local schools to vote? You are not restricted to the High School? Are the "9/11" hazards any less? Are they any more?Many of us have thought that this restrictive policy of the District voting was but a thinly veiled excuse to make it difficult for the purported (not proven) Senior Citizens to vote - since it's falsely assumed they will vote NO. Maybe it is time for Plainedge to return to the easier times of the past with regard to School District Voting. It is in the power of the BOE, even at the next meeting, to open up this process.Are there any BOE members out there that would like to champion "getitpassed" cause by directing the District Clerk to enhance the Registration process. Then direct the Administration to open one or more Schools remote from the High School for a second voting place?There is time to do this. ;D Vote your Convictions - Not your Frustrations! ;D Cantatore ~ Presuto ~ Raymond! The cool team that gave us a new BOE!
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Post by gopybl on Apr 11, 2006 12:14:22 GMT -5
Ed - I do agree that the No Votes came accross a wide spectrum of the Plainedge Community. I do agree that last year many people played the game "Chicken" with the administration.....And the KID's lost that game.
I also agree that everyone has a right to their opinion....whether we agree or not....and should be entitled to express themselves on this site. That is what has made this site so great....Freedom of Speech. A public forum to exchange ideas. We should all be very thankful to the Administrator for allowing us this ability.
Ed, you have also been making marvelous in roads in rallying the troops to vote YES for the KIDS....Let's not lose sight of the goal at hand....Lets ignore divisive posts.....
Also, Wouldn't it be more convenient for parents with Students if there were polling booths at every school? This way when a parent drops there kid off at school, they could vote before leaving. True it would make it more convenient for No Voters to access the polls but it would also allow YES voters that same benefit and could increase the total Yes votes.
One last thing, isn't the registration period expired for this coming year? Let me know....I thought it was.
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Post by plainedge13 on Apr 11, 2006 12:45:20 GMT -5
To Ed and others on this site - my post of this morning was poorly thought out - I apologize if I offended anyone.
I thought it important to discuss the need to get more YES people out to vote, that the NO voters will probably not be swayed by anything said here or anywhere else. I obviously did not put into words what my thoughts were.
I was, and still am, upset by a few senior citizens last budget vote yelling, yes yelling, at a number of the high school seniors that they should not be allowed to vote since they do not own a home.
But that being said, I will continue to help with PTRA, etc. to get the message out to vote yes on the budget.
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Post by getitpassed on Apr 11, 2006 13:25:56 GMT -5
ACCORDING TO THE HAND WRITTEN NOTE ATTACHED TO THE REGISTRATION FORMS I PICKED UP THE DATE IS MAY 11TH. ALSO ACCORDING TO THAT NOTE THE ONLY EVENING TIME TO REGISTER IS MAY 11TH FROM 4-8 PM NOT MAY 10TH AS I HAS STATED EARLIER.
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Post by gopybl on Apr 11, 2006 13:42:23 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification...
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Post by plainedge13 on Apr 11, 2006 13:42:26 GMT -5
Excellent idea to hand out registration forms. I will confirm the May 10th date and time and have that info added to some of the signs "popping up" around Plainedge.
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Post by justfacts on Apr 11, 2006 13:59:18 GMT -5
Yes plainedge13! It is so hard to keep quiet especially when there are those that are so emotionally wrought up that shout mindless drivel from their mouths - young or old! They are so loud and vocal and willfully prevent opposing opinions to be heard!All we can do is refrain from furthering the one-sided shouting contests that eventually develop into the "Either you're with me or you're against me!" drivel.There are, thankfully, more than just two sides to every issue. Even a simple coin has more than two sides - or even three - when you include the edge! People often forget about the insides and the outsides of a coin! And knowing you - from having sat and talked with you, I knew your post was an aberration of the person you are. I used it to make a point about the "Us vs Them" that is beginning to creep back into some posts. I know you well enough to know that frustration over the loss of focus on the vote - and how to maximize it this year - was the driving force behind your statement.None of us, Seniors or Youngsters, are that much past the frustrations of the divisiveness that was stroked into the Community last year. We still have to polish up our thoughts to make better suggestions and take better actions to have all of Plainedge involved in this year's vote. It should not be a secular vote - with just one group dominating. That is why the suggestion about making the process easier for parents dropping off children to vote can build a negative bias into those that are not dropping off children. We must be careful and fair to make it easy for all. Make it a balanced process for all. It's important this year because we want to make it perfectly clear in hindsight - there will be no one to blame, no one to complain about, if the vote didn't go your way this year! The vote will represent the majority of the community - and the majority must turn out![/b] If the vote didn't go your way, or it did, it should be the result of a truly wide democratic activity. If you don't like the results it was only because everyone made it easy for you, but you didn't get off your duff and influence the vote - and you probably didn't even vote!Make some Posters! Walk some Streets! Have discussion groups! Organize groups that leave voting information and Dates/Times at each Home in your area. Don't overlook any house in the District. There are just 6,242 of them! Don't just visit a few friendly neighbors who agree with you and think the job is done. Be an evangelist! Take a tip from Mike Cimino who's been there! Focus not on telling someone HOW to vote - Focus on telling them to VOTE! That method works better in getting out a large amount of Voters! ;D Vote your convictions on the Budget - not your frustrations! ;D Cantatore ~ Presuto ~ Raymond ! The cool team that's made the BOE work! Ed.
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Post by getitpassed on Apr 11, 2006 15:01:03 GMT -5
plainedge 13 the date is may 11. you can register any school day from 8:30-3:30 and on May 11 from 4-8 pm.
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Post by plainedge13 on Apr 11, 2006 15:10:15 GMT -5
on May 11th - register at the District office (west side of high school)?
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Post by justfacts on Apr 11, 2006 15:47:33 GMT -5
Hey! To not let the thought go too long without clarification.1) Has anyone out there a contact with Mike Cimino and/or his daughter? His list of block captains and his organizational skills at getting out the vote should not lay fallow. He has a proven track record at doing so in the past. 2) Additionally. not only on voting day, but on "Registration Days'' locally set and held. an organized Mini-Van pick-up drive could be held at certain centers within the District to carry people back and forth to the High School. Maybe even the old Packard Building could be a site that some could go to at 11am and/or 2pm on a certain date to get a ride to the High School for registration - or to vote! Public flyers could distribute the dates and times. I guess there's even a couple of us that would kick in a few bucks for the gas and time involved by the Mini-Van volunteers. Anyone out there have that wide circle of friends with the vehicles needed to carry off that idea? ;D Vote your Convictions - Not your Frustrations! ;D Cantatore ~ Presuto ~ Raymond! The cool team that gave us a new BOE! Ed.
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Post by getitpassed on Apr 11, 2006 19:29:26 GMT -5
PLAINEDGE13 THEY CAN REGISTER ANY SCHOOL FROM 8:30-3:30 FROM NOW UNTIL MAY 11TH. THE NIGHT REG. IS ON MAY 11 FROM 4-8 PM. ALWAYS AT THE DISTRICT OFFICE.
__JUSTFACTS GETTING DRIVERS IS A NO BRAINER. LET ME KNOW WHERE AND WHEN.
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